GodfatherPixel
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Post by GodfatherPixel on Jan 4, 2023 13:58:09 GMT
Having been left on Bad Wolf Bay, the Meta-Crisis Doctor and Rose spend the rest of their lives together. However, this incarnation of the Doctor is driven mad by the prospect of his approaching death without regenerations and begins meddling with time. He himself becomes the legend of Grandfather Paradox: an adventurous youth (the Meta-Crisis incarnation would still be young in Time Lord standards) travels into his own past and, with no clear motivation, murders his own grandfather with an ordinary knife.
As the Meta-Crisis Doctor didn't hail from the parallel universe he didn't die after altering the past, however, the Doctor of the parallel world ceased to exist (explaining why no incarnation of the Doctor was present to help out during the events of Series 2 and 4). Despite being a fraud the Meta-Crisis became a legend as a "shadowy half-man, simultaneously alive and dead, murderer and victim". He severed his own right hand - which was his only connection to the main universe Doctor as it was the one he grew out of in Journey's End - and established Faction Paradox.
During the War in Heaven the barrier between universes is weakened. The Eighth Doctor begins participating in the War without even realising that it is the war of another universe. In Alien Bodies Justine and Manjuele seek out the parallel universe Doctor's body sometime after his death (even though he was erased when the Meta-Crisis meddled with time). The Meta-Crisis wants this Doctor's biodata so that he can receive the powers of regeneration.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by Ettolrahc Dvora on Jan 4, 2023 14:08:31 GMT
I'm pretty sure this is off-topic got this forum, as the Rules say that the only mention of Doctor Who content should be one featuring FP concepts. A better place for their theory would be Tumblr or the #canon-welding channel of the Doctor Who Discord Server
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GodfatherPixel
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Post by GodfatherPixel on Jan 4, 2023 14:31:28 GMT
I'm pretty sure this is off-topic got this forum, as the Rules say that the only mention of Doctor Who content should be one featuring FP concepts. A better place for their theory would be Tumblr or the #canon-welding channel of the Doctor Who Discord Server Ah, true! |
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Post by garyshots on Jan 4, 2023 20:19:59 GMT
I'm pretty sure this is off-topic got this forum, as the Rules say that the only mention of Doctor Who content should be one featuring FP concepts. A better place for their theory would be Tumblr or the #canon-welding channel of the Doctor Who Discord Server But Grandfather Paradox is an FP concept. Canonwelding post-2005 telly stuff with Spiral Politic stuff isn't the only thing we do, but it's definitely one of the things we do. And the authors do too: what about the painted warriors, or Cousin Ceol?
There was this idea once that FP was going to schism off from DW and become its own thing. I dunno how realistic that ever was: rereading The Book of the War has reminded me that the Doctor gets teased loads, and he actually turns up at the end. This Town Will Never Let Us Go was as close as we came, I suppose, and even that's got a TARDIS in it. Maybe that was our ghost point in reality. But it's clear that both sides have reconverged since then.
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Anastasia
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Post by Anastasia on Jan 4, 2023 21:43:28 GMT
the Grandfather Paradox is probably not this well know renegade interventionist and nor are they any splinter of them, the one encounter on the Homeworld of the third incarnation of the former companion of the same interventionist was a falsehood (according to the Story so far I believe, and Lawrence Miles).
I would also like to add that the Great Houses and their Homeworld do not exist in other Universes and the ones that they do are so remote as to have not impact on war time matters (Book of the War, Warlords of Utopia).
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GodfatherPixel
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Post by GodfatherPixel on Jan 4, 2023 22:01:06 GMT
I would also like to add that the Great Houses and their Homeworld do not exist in other Universes and the ones that they do are so remote as to have not impact on war time matters (Book of the War, Warlords of Utopia). The workaround could be that this is something like what was done in the Rick and Morty Season 5 finale. For the entirety of Rick and Morty it has been said that Rick is the most intelligent man in the multiverse, however, it later transpires that Rick's portal gun only accesses universes within the multiverse where this statement is true. Evil Morty accesses the wider universe and travels to worlds beyond where this statement isn't true and there are other more intelligent lifeforms than Rick. In this instance the Great Houses and their Homeworld could have similarly manipulated the multiverse so that only parallel universes where the Great Houses are nonexistent or inconsequential can be accessed. Some force could have finally been able to access the wider multiverse and led the Doctor's TARDIS to land on one where there were Great Houses. |
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Post by Anastasia on Jan 4, 2023 22:07:26 GMT
I would also like to add that the Great Houses and their Homeworld do not exist in other Universes and the ones that they do are so remote as to have not impact on war time matters (Book of the War, Warlords of Utopia). The workaround could be that this is something like what was done in the Rick and Morty Season 5 finale. For the entirety of Rick and Morty it has been said that Rick is the most intelligent man in the multiverse, however, it later transpires that Rick's portal gun only accesses universes within the multiverse where this statement is true. Evil Morty accesses the wider universe and travels to worlds beyond where this statement isn't true and there are other more intelligent lifeforms than Rick. In this instance the Great Houses and their Homeworld could have similarly manipulated the multiverse so that only parallel universes where the Great Houses are nonexistent or inconsequential can be accessed. Some force could have finally been able to access the wider multiverse and led the Doctor's TARDIS to land on one where there were Great Houses. There are some possibilities of this such as one or two charity short stories, and whilst the idea is good I do not think that the Tenth Renegade’s Biodata duplicate is the Grandfather as the Grandfather has no link for the Renegade except for being in the same generation. |
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Post by PI9090 on Jan 16, 2023 1:15:24 GMT
the Grandfather Paradox is probably not this well know renegade interventionist and nor are they any splinter of them, the one encounter on the Homeworld of the third incarnation of the former companion of the same interventionist was a falsehood (according to the Story so far I believe, and Lawrence Miles). I would also like to add that the Great Houses and their Homeworld do not exist in other Universes and the ones that they do are so remote as to have not impact on war time matters (Book of the War, Warlords of Utopia). Agreed. I go with Mr Twain's idea that the Granfather, (Avus the Vodoo Priest of House Lungbarrow) erasing himself, (except his meaning mass as hinting regarding the Celestis's actions supposedly being similar) from history created the gap in Lungbarow that necessitated the Doctor being loomed to begin with. Wasn't the idea of him being the Doctor raised before? Oh yeah... Personally I like that he isn't the Doctor in anyway it helps broaden the universe a bit. Not everything is Doctor centric. |
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GodfatherPixel
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Post by GodfatherPixel on Jan 16, 2023 4:25:42 GMT
the Grandfather Paradox is probably not this well know renegade interventionist and nor are they any splinter of them, the one encounter on the Homeworld of the third incarnation of the former companion of the same interventionist was a falsehood (according to the Story so far I believe, and Lawrence Miles). I would also like to add that the Great Houses and their Homeworld do not exist in other Universes and the ones that they do are so remote as to have not impact on war time matters (Book of the War, Warlords of Utopia). Agreed. I go with Mr Twain's idea that the Granfather, (Avus the Vodoo Priest of House Lungbarrow) erasing himself, (except his meaning mass as hinting regarding the Celestis's actions supposedly being similar) from history created the gap in Lungbarow that necessitated the Doctor being loomed to begin with. Wasn't the idea of him being the Doctor raised before? Oh yeah... Personally I like that he isn't the Doctor in anyway it helps broaden the universe a bit. Not everything is Doctor centric.I think it tethers Faction Paradox quite nicely to Doctor Who. As the series grows and expands further and further as its own thing beyond Doctor Who there is always that nice little tie. |
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