Questions on the First Battle on Dronid

Anastasia
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Questions on the First Battle on Dronid Aug 16, 2022 15:42:59 GMT

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Post by Anastasia on Aug 16, 2022 15:42:59 GMT

So I reading up about the first Battle of the War in the “Book of the War” and “Alien Bodies” and I noticed something. The book of the war mentions that the Enemy where as unprepared as the Great Houses, now it also implies that the two side did battle, do you think that any of the First Wave soldiers saw the True face (or faces or what ever they/it has) of the Enemy? (weather they survived or not is a different question) or did the Enemy not deploy any of its members in that battle and instead sent Rep’s from other species much like how the Great Houses used Gabrielidean’s?

and for that matter do you think the rank and file of the Enemy (should they have one) are as oblivious to the identity of their opponent as the rank and file of the House Military?

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Questions on the First Battle on Dronid Aug 16, 2022 16:01:34 GMT Anastasia, Aristide Twain, and 1 more like this

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Post by AloeVega on Aug 16, 2022 16:01:34 GMT

Interesting thoughts!

I think whether First Wave soldiers saw the true face of the Enemy depends on who or what exactly you think the Enemy is, and whether you think they'd be likely to actually go into battle themselves. I tend to imagine that, much like the Great Houses, the bulk of the Enemy's front-line troops are recruited from the ranks of the Lesser Species. It may even be the case that, at least on one level of the conflict, the battle on Dronid was a battle between Gabrielideans!

The idea that agents of the Enemy are unfamiliar with the nature of the Homeworld is a fascinating concept, and I'm surprised I've never seen it before. Most people seem to default to the idea that the Enemy is aware of the nature of the Homeworld, since the Homeworld pretty much controls the whole structure of the cosmos, but it's a neat idea that they're as unfamiliar with the Great Houses as the Great Houses are with them. It's definitely a totally different take on the War than what we've seen so far.

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Questions on the First Battle on Dronid Aug 16, 2022 16:56:56 GMT Anastasia and miss//bearbrass like this

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Post by Aristide Twain on Aug 16, 2022 16:56:56 GMT

Aug 16, 2022 15:42:59 GMT Anastasia said:

So I reading up about the first Battle of the War in the “Book of the War” and “Alien Bodies” and I noticed something. The book of the war mentions that the Enemy where as unprepared as the Great Houses, now it also implies that the two side did battle, do you think that any of the First Wave soldiers saw the True face (or faces or what ever they/it has) of the Enemy?

I don't think we need to assume so. Remember that the Corporation had existed on Drornid for twelve years prior to the Cataclysm. Crimes Against History specifically tells us:

Sixty-two years ago:

It's at this point that a new criminal syndicate arrives on Dronid from off-world, and although the heads of this organization remain unseen its ground agents are Gabrielideans, a minor nuisance of a species with no known access to time-technology. (On Dronid the syndicate refers to itself as the Incorporate, "the ruling body".)

(…)

Fifty-two years ago:

On Dronid the forces of the Faction have fallen into utter disarray, the Incorporate gaining complete dominance and the Eleven-Day Empire unable to assist. A series of half-insane Faction leaders doesn't help, but what nobody yet suspects is that a greater story is playing itself out here. The Incorporate is in fact an intelligence-gathering arm, a "feeler", for the enemy the Great Houses are to face in their War. (Indeed, the Incorporate may even be the first physical manifestation of the enemy, although acting under a false identity and concealing itself behind the Gabrielideans. It might explain the choice of name.)

So the Enemy were already keeping out of sight and acting through agents. Presumably the first Reps the soldiers of the Homeworld encountered were Gabrielideans. Incidentally, the Enemy's choice to refer to themselves as “the Incorporate” may offer a clue on just why they had to use representatives… but then again, here's Miles telling us that it's supposed to mean the ruling body, which would, if anything, have the opposite implications. ~~Ye gads, I love this stuff.~~

Last Edit: Aug 16, 2022 17:18:50 GMT by Aristide Twain

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Questions on the First Battle on Dronid Aug 17, 2022 17:10:18 GMT AloeVega and miss//bearbrass like this

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Post by Athenodora on Aug 17, 2022 17:10:18 GMT

Aug 16, 2022 16:56:56 GMT Aristide Twain said:

Aug 16, 2022 15:42:59 GMT Anastasia said:

So I reading up about the first Battle of the War in the “Book of the War” and “Alien Bodies” and I noticed something. The book of the war mentions that the Enemy where as unprepared as the Great Houses, now it also implies that the two side did battle, do you think that any of the First Wave soldiers saw the True face (or faces or what ever they/it has) of the Enemy?

I don't think we need to assume so. Remember that the Corporation had existed on Drornid for twelve years prior to the Cataclysm. Crimes Against History specifically tells us:

Sixty-two years ago:

It's at this point that a new criminal syndicate arrives on Dronid from off-world, and although the heads of this organization remain unseen its ground agents are Gabrielideans, a minor nuisance of a species with no known access to time-technology. (On Dronid the syndicate refers to itself as the Incorporate, "the ruling body".)

(…)

Fifty-two years ago:

On Dronid the forces of the Faction have fallen into utter disarray, the Incorporate gaining complete dominance and the Eleven-Day Empire unable to assist. A series of half-insane Faction leaders doesn't help, but what nobody yet suspects is that a greater story is playing itself out here. The Incorporate is in fact an intelligence-gathering arm, a "feeler", for the enemy the Great Houses are to face in their War. (Indeed, the Incorporate may even be the first physical manifestation of the enemy, although acting under a false identity and concealing itself behind the Gabrielideans. It might explain the choice of name.)

So the Enemy were already keeping out of sight and acting through agents. Presumably the first Reps the soldiers of the Homeworld encountered were Gabrielideans. Incidentally, the Enemy's choice to refer to themselves as “the Incorporate” may offer a clue on just why they had to use representatives… but then again, here's Miles telling us that it's supposed to mean the ruling body, which would, if anything, have the opposite implications. ~~Ye gads, I love this stuff.~~

the ruling body, the Head of the Presidency... put them together, and what do we get...

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Questions on the First Battle on Dronid Sept 1, 2022 10:04:20 GMT AloeVega and doctornolonger like this

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Post by bumbles on Sept 1, 2022 10:04:20 GMT

Aug 16, 2022 16:56:56 GMT Aristide Twain said:

Aug 16, 2022 15:42:59 GMT Anastasia said:

So I reading up about the first Battle of the War in the “Book of the War” and “Alien Bodies” and I noticed something. The book of the war mentions that the Enemy where as unprepared as the Great Houses, now it also implies that the two side did battle, do you think that any of the First Wave soldiers saw the True face (or faces or what ever they/it has) of the Enemy?

I don't think we need to assume so. Remember that the Corporation had existed on Drornid for twelve years prior to the Cataclysm. Crimes Against History specifically tells us:

Sixty-two years ago:

It's at this point that a new criminal syndicate arrives on Dronid from off-world, and although the heads of this organization remain unseen its ground agents are Gabrielideans, a minor nuisance of a species with no known access to time-technology. (On Dronid the syndicate refers to itself as the Incorporate, "the ruling body".)

(…)

Fifty-two years ago:

On Dronid the forces of the Faction have fallen into utter disarray, the Incorporate gaining complete dominance and the Eleven-Day Empire unable to assist. A series of half-insane Faction leaders doesn't help, but what nobody yet suspects is that a greater story is playing itself out here. The Incorporate is in fact an intelligence-gathering arm, a "feeler", for the enemy the Great Houses are to face in their War. (Indeed, the Incorporate may even be the first physical manifestation of the enemy, although acting under a false identity and concealing itself behind the Gabrielideans. It might explain the choice of name.)

So the Enemy were already keeping out of sight and acting through agents. Presumably the first Reps the soldiers of the Homeworld encountered were Gabrielideans. Incidentally, the Enemy's choice to refer to themselves as “the Incorporate” may offer a clue on just why they had to use representatives… but then again, here's Miles telling us that it's supposed to mean the ruling body, which would, if anything, have the opposite implications. ~~Ye gads, I love this stuff.~~

One side is obsessed with Heads… the other bodies.

bumbles Cousin Posts: 80	Questions on the First Battle on Dronid Sept 2, 2022 0:19:46 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by bumbles on Sept 2, 2022 0:19:46 GMT Incorporate could also be a punny name, perhaps a non-corporal entity building a body, incorporating themselves into the solid, 3 dimensional reality. Something from an alter-time state, perhaps.

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