Anastasia
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Post by Anastasia on Dec 7, 2022 10:35:06 GMT
Carmen Yeh Is one of the more mysterious characters in the book of the war she traveled with compassion be for the fell out,but before this is a charity anthology short story which I have sadly only read once and never found again she started travelling with the eighth Doctor some time before first meeting compassion. but most the interesting about her is her name Carmen Yeh and anagram for Archenemy. So what does this mean?
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Post by Aristide Twain on Dec 7, 2022 11:36:53 GMT
Arch- means Leader-of, so we may be inclined to read it as "high-ranking member of the Enemy", but I think that could well be a false trail: it's doubtful that she was originally created with a War in Heaven context in mind in the charity story. I can't help but think that in a proper Doctor Who story, there is only one real candidate when the Doctor meets a mysterious person whose name is an anagram for "archenemy"… which would certainly make Carmen's encounter with the War King more interesting still! (Of course, I'm disinclined to think that Carmen is just a mask; I think we may be dealing with a Professor Yana avant la lettre, her origins unknown even to herself.)
Of course, I'm shooting in the dark because I have yet to obtain a copy of the short story in question.
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Post by drleevezan on Dec 7, 2022 20:00:57 GMT
Interestingly, Carmen's surname isn't actually mentioned in the original charity story, so it seems like a possibility that the 'archenemy' anagram was only devised later - very possibly with a War in Heaven context in mind after all, although of course we can't be completely certain.
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PI9090
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Post by PI9090 on Dec 8, 2022 10:36:22 GMT
It's unlikely that Yeh is anything to do with the enemy so maybe another Sabbath style misdirection/piece of fun?
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Post by doctornolonger on Dec 8, 2022 15:57:17 GMT
Of course, I'm shooting in the dark because I have yet to obtain a copy of the short story in question. Hopefully no one will shoot me in the dark if I share the relevant excerpt from "Schrodinger's Botanist". The story is a collection of short excerpts from Grant Markham's travels with the Sixth Doctor; Carmen only appears in one scene.
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GodfatherPixel
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Post by GodfatherPixel on Dec 9, 2022 11:46:55 GMT
Off-topic, but I've always thought Grant Markham's time aboard the TARDIS was strangely similar to Adam Mitchell's. Right down to linking his mind to a computer, being abandoned by the Doctor and growing a bitter resentment towards him.
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Post by Ettolrahc Dvora on Jan 4, 2023 12:16:26 GMT
Arch- means Leader-of, so we may be inclined to read it as "high-ranking member of the Enemy", but I think that could well be a false trail: it's doubtful that she was originally created with a War in Heaven context in mind in the charity story. I can't help but think that in a proper Doctor Who story, there is only one real candidate when the Doctor meets a mysterious person whose name is an anagram for "archenemy"… which would certainly make Carmen's encounter with the War King more interesting still! (Of course, I'm disinclined to think that Carmen is just a mask; I think we may be dealing with a Professor Yana avant la lettre, her origins unknown even to herself.) Of course, I'm shooting in the dark because I have yet to obtain a copy of the short story in question. Professor Yana (a.k.a the Master chameleon arched) is Carmen Yeh? Isn't Carmen a woman, and Yana a man? I don't see the connection at all. This isn't in any way intended to be an attack in this theory, I love it because it's so outlandish, but what's the basis?
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GodfatherPixel
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Post by GodfatherPixel on Jan 4, 2023 12:32:11 GMT
Arch- means Leader-of, so we may be inclined to read it as "high-ranking member of the Enemy", but I think that could well be a false trail: it's doubtful that she was originally created with a War in Heaven context in mind in the charity story. I can't help but think that in a proper Doctor Who story, there is only one real candidate when the Doctor meets a mysterious person whose name is an anagram for "archenemy"… which would certainly make Carmen's encounter with the War King more interesting still! (Of course, I'm disinclined to think that Carmen is just a mask; I think we may be dealing with a Professor Yana avant la lettre, her origins unknown even to herself.) Of course, I'm shooting in the dark because I have yet to obtain a copy of the short story in question. Professor Yana (a.k.a the Master chameleon arched) is Carmen Yeh? Isn't Carmen a woman, and Yana a man? I don't see the connection at all. This isn't in any way intended to be an attack in this theory, I love it because it's so outlandish, but what's the basis? I read that as it is a Professor Yana situation rather than Carmen literally being Yana.
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Post by Ettolrahc Dvora on Jan 4, 2023 13:23:26 GMT
Professor Yana (a.k.a the Master chameleon arched) is Carmen Yeh? Isn't Carmen a woman, and Yana a man? I don't see the connection at all. This isn't in any way intended to be an attack in this theory, I love it because it's so outlandish, but what's the basis? I read that as it is a Professor Yana situation rather than Carmen literally being Yana. Ooh that would make much more sense. But then, who's been arched? The original Carmen from the charity anthology?
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GodfatherPixel
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Post by GodfatherPixel on Jan 4, 2023 13:30:10 GMT
I read that as it is a Professor Yana situation rather than Carmen literally being Yana. Ooh that would make much more sense. But then, who's been arched? The original Carmen from the charity anthology? I think that Aristide is suggesting that Carmen herself is a disguise (or "mask") of the Master. Not specifically the Yana incarnation but under the same circumstances with another female version of the Master.
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Post by Ettolrahc Dvora on Jan 4, 2023 14:05:05 GMT
Ooh that would make much more sense. But then, who's been arched? The original Carmen from the charity anthology? I think that Aristide is suggesting that Carmen herself is a disguise (or "mask") of the Master. Not specifically the Yana incarnation but under the same circumstances with another female version of the Master. Ah, okay. An incredibly wild take!
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Anastasia
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Post by Anastasia on Jan 4, 2023 14:56:29 GMT
Ooh that would make much more sense. But then, who's been arched? The original Carmen from the charity anthology? I think that Aristide is suggesting that Carmen herself is a disguise (or "mask") of the Master. Not specifically the Yana incarnation but under the same circumstances with another female version of the Master. I wa sunder the impression that it was simply similar circumstances. To important people have anagrams as their name.
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