Anastasia
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Liberating the oppressed of the Houses and toppling regimes.
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Post by Anastasia on Nov 27, 2022 14:40:16 GMT
We all know that Lolita has taken the roles of many individuals throughout all of time and space. we know she replaced Queen Charlotte, we know she took on the role of Lola Denison at some point. But is she Lucia Cailloux from the Short story Grass. At first glance know, her backstory places her in early America and an affiliation with France (and revolutionary France seems to okay an interesting role in Faction Paradox), but House Lucia is the name Carmen Yeh (anagram of Archenemy think on that) used as a stand in for House Lolita, and Cailloux is very similar to Caillou which is what the French Shadow Directory used to refer to individuals who the whole world seem to shift around such as a certain House Renegade. This seems to suggest she is to some degree linked with Lolita or is Lolita. Lucia kills the last of the Mammoth’s and mentions King George’s Mammoth who died sometime after the War in Heaven. This would imply that this story is set in the Post War universe. And we all know that Queen Charlotte did not die before 1774 and thus must have been alive at the hunt and thus this is more evidence that Lolita survived into the Post War universe. But the Question is what Does Lolita have to do withe Cernunnos? The proposed identities of the Enemy do not often interact. so what do you think?
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Post by Aristide Twain on Nov 27, 2022 15:52:58 GMT
I think this conversation probably needs to dismiss the idea that King George's Mammoth is a manifestation of the Enemy, at least at first while we wrap our heads around what Miles intended at the time — the idea had not even remotely been established when Grass was written, much as it later took root.
Unrelatedly, I think “Queen Charlotte did not die before 1774 and thus must have been alive at the hunt” is an error of logic. The Post-War Universe is a whole new "do-over" of history, without explicit Great House influence; the 18th century of the comics and Adventuress is not precisely the 18th century of Sabbath Dei, In the Year of the Cat and Sabbath and the King (although by the very nature of the Post-War Universe, the boundaries are fluid, and some people and artefacts like Scarlette, Sabbath and the Shard of Glass remain unchanged by the ‘cosmic retcon’).
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Anastasia
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Liberating the oppressed of the Houses and toppling regimes.
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Post by Anastasia on Nov 27, 2022 16:24:18 GMT
I think this conversation probably needs to dismiss the idea that King George's Mammoth is a manifestation of the Enemy, at least at first while we wrap our heads around what Miles intended at the time — the idea had not even remotely been established when Grass was written, much as it later took root. Unrelatedly, I think “Queen Charlotte did not die before 1774 and thus must have been alive at the hunt” is an error of logic. The Post-War Universe is a whole new "do-over" of history, without explicit Great House influence; the 18th century of the comics and Adventuress is not precisely the 18th century of Sabbath Dei, In the Year of the Cat and Sabbath and the King (although by the very nature of the Post-War Universe, the boundaries are fluid, and some people and artefacts like Scarlette, Sabbath and the Shard of Glass remain unchanged by the ‘cosmic retcon’). But Grass must still be set in the post war Universe due to the mention of King George’s Mammoth and I believe it was you who mentioned in a previous thread that you believe that Lucia may Lolita and if she is well then perhaps she did survive the War?
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Post by Aristide Twain on Nov 27, 2022 16:51:21 GMT
perhaps she did survive the War? Perhaps in some form, yes. Her sister did, after all. Whether that was always the plan, or if she's as much of a weakened, scrabbling survivor as everyone else, is another question.
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Anastasia
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Liberating the oppressed of the Houses and toppling regimes.
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Post by Anastasia on Nov 27, 2022 16:55:41 GMT
perhaps she did survive the War? Perhaps in some form, yes. Her sister did, after all. Whether that was always the plan, or if she's as much of a weakened, scrabbling survivor as everyone else, is another question. I myself personally am fond that whilst she planed to survive the war she did end up far more weakened than she expected. With one or two aspects of herself making it all the way to the other side.
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