GodfatherPixel
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Post by GodfatherPixel on Sept 9, 2022 0:22:42 GMT
What is your wishlist for a future Faction Paradox story? Which writers would you like to see contribute in future? What characters would you like to see introduced/return? And what concepts would you like to see explored?
I'd love Paul Cornell to pen a story featuring Little Sister Aphasia (Daughter of Mine) covering her complicated history from the VNAs to the television series. Her appearance in the Bernice Summerfield webcast opened up so many intriguing questions that I think would be perfect for the continuity-skewed Faction P lore.
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Post by Aristide Twain on Sept 9, 2022 0:36:06 GMT
…Does it count to simply say that I wish Lawrence Miles would write for it again one of these days?
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GodfatherPixel
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Post by GodfatherPixel on Sept 9, 2022 1:09:59 GMT
…Does it count to simply say that I wish Lawrence Miles would write for it again one of these days? Absolutely. |
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Post by PI9090 on Sept 10, 2022 13:29:05 GMT
1.Mr Miles to return to writing aswell as editing then and start banging some heads together. 2.6 episode .B.B.C. miniseries about the Grand Families and the Service at their height with no obvious Timelord or other Doctor Who references whatsoever until the last episode and absolute no follow up planned or allowed. Specifically: The protagonist is alone in a room ruminating on what's happened I, Claudius style. The screen cuts to black after a pause we hear a .T.T. capsule and and the door open. The protagonist says flatly, "I wandered when you'd turn up". Closing credits roll. Is it the 8th Doctor or just a House agent? I don't know nor would I let anyone else decide. 3.A White Peacock novel based on Agatha Christie's The Big Four, (the novel no the .t.v. adaption). Look at the linked wiki page it's practically begging for it in my opinion, (A Fu Manchu style villain, "House of the Enemy", a symbol that strike terror .e.t.c.). 4.An Agatha Christie style murder mystery sensing a pattern yet? where the murder is a Faction Paradox member using their Sombras que Corta. |
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Post by Anastasia on Sept 10, 2022 15:10:25 GMT
A reprint of Book of the War
The sequel to the mad Norwegian era
And other unreleased stuff
Oh and a Animated CGI Tv series
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Post by bumbles on Sept 10, 2022 21:07:32 GMT
Lance Parkin to do something else.
A sequel to the book of rhe war set 100 years into the war (Alien Bodies js 500 years into the war).
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Post by Aristide Twain on Sept 10, 2022 21:26:46 GMT
(Alien Bodies js 500 years into the war). Oh, dear, that old bugbear. We'll have to discuss the Great Dating Controversy at some point in the Book Club, but I really don't think you can sanely twist your way out of the fact it's really rather hard to square the idea that Alien Bodies lies 450 years in the future of the Book with… well, anything, from a young Justine's presence to Mictlan still being around. One solution some have put forward is to say that the present-day Dr. Who interacting with the War in Alien Bodies did sufficiently change history that the War we see thereafter is a significantly different version from the one glimpsed in Alien Bodies, one which developed much faster. Another might be to mumble something about dating systems — "are we entirely sure in whose years either book was counting when they said 50 and 500?" and so on. And yet another, which I tend to favour, is to say that the Book is lying about the 50-year figure, or at least creatively reinterpreting the truth. Insofar as the Book is written with a human perspective in mind, perhaps the editorial decision was made to collapse every decade into a single year, because fifty years relative to a human lifespan gives the right idea of how long a five-hundred-year war feels like it's lasted to the beings on either side: i.e. a significant portion of their average life-span, but there are still many people who were in the War on Day 1 who aren't dead yet, though they're fast turning into relics of a bygone age. |
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Post by bumbles on Sept 10, 2022 21:28:56 GMT
It’s 450 years into the faction’s war with the Homeworld?
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Anastasia
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Post by Anastasia on Sept 10, 2022 21:39:52 GMT
(Alien Bodies js 500 years into the war). Oh, dear, that old bugbear. We'll have to discuss the Great Dating Controversy at some point in the Book Club, but I really don't think you can sanely twist your way out of the fact it's really rather hard to square the idea that Alien Bodies lies 450 years in the future of the Book with… well, anything, from a young Justine's presence to Mictlan still being around. One solution some have put forward is to say that the present-day Dr. Who interacting with the War in Alien Bodies did sufficiently change history that the War we see thereafter is a significantly different version from the one glimpsed in Alien Bodies, one which developed much faster. Another might be to mumble something about dating systems — "are we entirely sure in whose years either book was counting when they said 50 and 500?" and so on. And yet another, which I tend to favour, is to say that the Book is lying about the 50-year figure, or at least creatively reinterpreting the truth. Insofar as the Book is written with a human perspective in mind, perhaps the editorial decision was made to collapse every decade into a single year, because fifty years relative to a human lifespan gives the right idea of how long a five-hundred-year war feels like it's lasted to the beings on either side: i.e. a significant portion of their average life-span, but there are still many people who were in the War on Day 1 who aren't dead yet, though they're fast turning into relics of a bygone age. I myself imaged that each representative at the auction came from a different era of the war as Homunculette mentions the Last Wave, meaning he must be from some point nearing the hypothetical end of the war, and Justine must be from before year 50, Trask and the Celestis must also be from around Homunculette’s era as Homunculette was involved in Mictlan’s destruction and it is odd that he dose not mention it (and for that matter we know the destruction of Mictlan is sometime after year fifty as the Shift mentions it is yet to happen and so the destruction could happen rather late into the war perhaps even after the fall of the Eleven-Day-Empire) and Who knows when Mister Shift is from seeing as at some point he was severed from linear causality at some point and who know what the Enemy’s relationship to time is. What I find interesting is Homunculette freaking out about Faction Paradox’s presence which seem rather un wartime like perhaps he comes from a time when the Faction has be so utterly destroyed they have returned to myth and legend. |
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Post by bumbles on Sept 10, 2022 21:59:58 GMT
I like that idea, Anastasia.
It’s odd, because with the exception of Justine’s “half a millennium of conflict” comment about Mr H’s quarters, it could very easily be “early” in the War for the Houses, they’re still on the back foot reeling from the First Attack, having just lost demat weapons etc when they seize upon the Relic as a useful item.
The Celestis seem “young”, or perhaps ill-defined fits them more, or perhaps “still in the preparatory sketch phase” compared to the way they’re described in TBOTW and Taking of Planet 5 to how they’re presented in Alien Bodies (for good, extrafictional reasons, TBOTW and TTOP5 haven’t been published, or even imagined, yet).
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Post by Aristide Twain on Sept 10, 2022 22:09:25 GMT
Huh — Crimes Against History seems to confirm Homunculette as being from a different point in the War than Justine (who is from the BotW era), though it doesn't address the other parties. Somehow that had slipped my mind. I still think it's pretty hard to square with the 104-form mythos, and more generally with his vibe, as Bumbles says; but never mind. Still: For that matter we know the destruction of Mictlan is sometime after year fifty as the Shift mentions it is yet to happen and so the destruction could happen rather late into the war perhaps even after the fall of the Eleven-Day-Empire. I don't think this reasoning quite hangs together. The Fall of the Empire is not "rather late into the War" at all; the Protocols happen very soon after the era of the Book. |
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Post by doctornolonger on Sept 11, 2022 4:22:03 GMT
It’s odd, because with the exception of Justine’s “half a millennium of conflict” comment about Mr H’s quarters, it could very easily be “early” in the War for the Houses, they’re still on the back foot reeling from the First Attack, having just lost demat weapons etc when they seize upon the Relic as a useful item. On the other hand, by Homunculette’s era the barriers between communication between the Homeworlds has broken down, as we also see in The Taking of Planet 5. By the original intention, this made him very far in the future of the War – although newer stories have poked earlier holes in the communication block, not to mention the presence of the War King in ToP5, which rather throws a wrench in the events of True History. |
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Post by quad on Nov 2, 2022 23:48:53 GMT
Obviously this would never happen because of rights and also just cause Alien Bodies but I wish we could see some more of The Doctor. I dunno, I'm still a Who fan first so I can't help but wonder what they'd get up to in the War. Now granted I've only read the EDAs, Book of the War and half of Dead Romance so far so maybe there's other Doctor stuff I don't know of, I guess I'll see.
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Post by foefromthefuture on Nov 3, 2022 4:17:15 GMT
Obviously this would never happen because of rights and also just cause Alien Bodies but I wish we could see some more of The Doctor. I dunno, I'm still a Who fan first so I can't help but wonder what they'd get up to in the War. Now granted I've only read the EDAs, Book of the War and half of Dead Romance so far so maybe there's other Doctor stuff I don't know of, I guess I'll see. See, I’m very much from the opposite school of thought: I’d like to see the franchise separated from Doctor Who continuity as much as possible. I too have always been a Doctor Who fan first and foremost, and five years ago if you’d have told me this I would have said you were crazy, but I’ve become quite disillusioned by the series in recent years. I’ve not been a fan of the Chibnall era, and I’ve even become disappointed with a lot of the spin-off material - especially the audios produced by Big Finish (which I used to absolutely love). So I see the Faction Paradox universe as a place where a lot of the original mystery still remains, and a place where we’ve mined the best bits of the “originating series” (for lack of a better term). A good example is the new Cwej book (and series), which I only just found out about (see adjoining thread). I’m in the middle of this massive compilation right now, and I’m hugely enjoying it!! I mean, enjoying-it-in-the-same-way-I-fell-in-love-with-the-“Tomb-of-the-Cybermen”-novelization-40+-years-ago! Now don’t get me wrong. I still have a HUGE love for Doctor Who, and I will always love dipping into its 60 years of history. But right now I see Faction Paradox as something altogether different, and I really like it like that. |
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Post by quad on Nov 3, 2022 14:33:21 GMT
Obviously this would never happen because of rights and also just cause Alien Bodies but I wish we could see some more of The Doctor. I dunno, I'm still a Who fan first so I can't help but wonder what they'd get up to in the War. Now granted I've only read the EDAs, Book of the War and half of Dead Romance so far so maybe there's other Doctor stuff I don't know of, I guess I'll see. See, I’m very much from the opposite school of thought: I’d like to see the franchise separated from Doctor Who continuity as much as possible. I too have always been a Doctor Who fan first and foremost, and five years ago if you’d have told me this I would have said you were crazy, but I’ve become quite disillusioned by the series in recent years. I’ve not been a fan of the Chibnall era, and I’ve even become disappointed with a lot of the spin-off material - especially the audios produced by Big Finish (which I used to absolutely love). So I see the Faction Paradox universe as a place where a lot of the original mystery still remains, and a place where we’ve mined the best bits of the “originating series” (for lack of a better term). A good example is the new Cwej book (and series), which I only just found out about (see adjoining thread). I’m in the middle of this massive compilation right now, and I’m hugely enjoying it!! I mean, enjoying-it-in-the-same-way-I-fell-in-love-with-the-“Tomb-of-the-Cybermen”-novelization-40+-years-ago! Now don’t get me wrong. I still have a HUGE love for Doctor Who, and I will always love dipping into its 60 years of history. But right now I see Faction Paradox as something altogether different, and I really like it like that. Can't argue with you there, FP is definitely designed to be separate from Doctor Who (it's quite telling that their first story goes out of its way to kill off the Doctor in the very first battle of the War.) But also I love how this pretty out-there sci-fi series ties into a goofy 60s/70s TV show and I enjoy when they overlap. A good example would be Interference: it's a very thoughtful book that goes in-depth on its themes of perception and media and politics and all these other big concepts but at the same time it's a sequel to K9 and Company lol. Although obviously these elements have a purpose in the story, they're not just thrown in at random for fanservice cough cough Star Wars shows cough . I don't want The Zygon Invasion of the Eleven Day Empire or whatever, but some Who elements sprinkled in are always going to get my interest a bit quicker. I've heard the Obverse books have some nuwho references sprinkled in, which I appreciate since that's what I grew up with but also for how hilarious that is considering the relationship between Lawrence Miles and revival Who (where's my Gelth FP story?) So I guess I have those to look forward to. I'm rambling a bit at this point so to stay on topic I'll add a more feasible item on my wishlist and I'm not sure if this is a controversial opinion or not but I'd like some more sci-fi ish stuff about the War. Now obviously FP is sort of sci-fi minus the aesthetic of traditional sci-fi or whatever that Loz quote is but I'm not really asking for laser guns and warp drives. Now again my knowledge is limited to the EDAs, Book of the War and all but the last 60ish pages of Dead Romance (what a breezy read by the way!) so maybe this issue is just me misinterpreting stuff that I haven't read yet based on the blurbs. But basically I find the format of "this period of Earth history/in-universe fiction/whatever is actually a microcosm of the War!" to be a fairly interesting idea but it also gets a bit stale after being done a few times and it seems to pop up very often in the books. I guess I just want some more variety. Although hey, maybe I'm talking out of my ass and my complaint will be immediately erased once I start the MNP books. I might also just have historical fatigue since I'm almost at the end of the EDAs with Sabbath which seem to really love staying on Earth at all times. I guess I'll see! |
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