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Post by doctornolonger on Sept 19, 2022 1:04:32 GMT
He limped towards us, seemingly untroubled by the blow he had been dealt, although the hideous skull that covered his face was cracked across. I thought at first it was blood that fell from the broken mask, but even in the darkness of the chamber it had a strange colour, and a sickly odour followed him, like carrion left too long…Welcome to week 3 of the Book Club of the War! If you’ve fallen behind or this is your first time, it’s still not too hard to catch up; the Announcement and Reading Schedule has everything you need to know. This week we’re reading the alphabetical History of Earth: - Analytical Engine (p. 7-8)
- Book of Enoch (p. 18-19)
- Burton (p. 24)
- Byron (p. 25-26)
- (Ada) Byron (p. 26)
- Canon per Tonos (p. 27-28)
- Clockwork Ouroboros (p. 35)
- Eleven-Day Empire: The 1834 Attack (p. 53-54)
- Ghost Clusters (p. 72-73)
- Grand Families (p. 75)
- Grindlay’s Warehouse (p. 81)
- Grotesques (p. 81)
- Karachi (p. 107-108)
- Liber Sanguisugarum (p. 113-114)
- Mal’akh (p. 119-120)
- Maltese Incident (p. 120-121)
- Mountains of the Moon (p. 130-131)
- Musical Offering (p. 131)
- Napoleonic Era (p. 134-135)
- "Princess of Parallelograms" (p. 157)
- Shelley Cabal (p. 176-177)
- Society of St. George (p. 179)
- Speke (p. 182-183)
- Star Chamber (p. 185-186)
- Walking Dead (p. 212-213)
- Xianthellipse (p. 224-225)
- Scarratt (p. 172-173)
This is, I believe, the longest and most demanding weekly reading on our frontloaded schedule, so take your time, relax with it, and let us know what jumped out to you. Next week we’ll continue from "Scarratt" (S) with The A-Z of the War!
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Post by bumbles on Sept 19, 2022 1:18:40 GMT
Earth is also featuring this week in “the Book of the Fan War”
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PI9090
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Post by PI9090 on Sept 19, 2022 1:48:24 GMT
Bare bone notes this week due to work, I will try to add more if i can. The Book of Enoch(I really hate The Timeless Child). It actually exists. From the Timelord's viewpoint happened after the First War in Heaven and Thermix's virus, (which Rassilon funded and possibly used Yssgaroth taint to add a third .D.N.A. strand that enabled regeneration and added several unique biological features including two hearts). So would be post the First Diaspora but not recorded in the Timelord's official history. (Maybe they thought they were fleeing the virus or were the test group and were assumed to have died off?). Richard Burton noticed a similarity between regeneration and the Mal'akh's rapid healing. (Mal'akh healing might look enough like one of the less stated classic series regeneration effects for Burton to me mistaken? He had more knowledge then most but like the Service didn't have enough knowledge or cultural references to tell one alien group from another). (Anyone else remember a detailed Timelord biology fansite framed as Dr Holloway's report?). Two hundred interventionalist rebels lead by someone named Azazel or Shemjaza left Gallifrey and settled on Earth marrying and breeding with local women, (so the: Anchoring/Pythia's Curse/Rassilon didn't render them infertile?) but their children were giant monsterous ambominations, (ie: The Nephilim) due to the unstable combination of: Timelord, Yssgaroth, and protohuman .D.N.A.. (The problem was probably the sheer alienness of the Yssagaorth material as the Cult of Skaro's genetically engineered soldiers were: Human, Dalek, and Timelord hybrids and were just fine). The Timelords fight the interventionalist rebels for spreading Timelord knowledge, exiling them (?) and leaving the Mal'akh in place as part of the punishment. Azazel/Shemjasa is bound head first hanging by one leg over athe abyss for all of eternity. (Whats the abyss? The black hole in the center of the galaxy? The punishment maybe literal as Timelords regard space as irrelevant so a good place to ditch prisoners). The interventionalist rebels are the Djinn of Arabic mythology. Liber Sanguisugarum(Plus, it's been suggested that this path through the Book, when followed in its entirety, leads to a "90% certain" identity for the Enemy. OoOoOoO!) Mal'akhLinked to humanity's collective subconscious and thus deeply emebedded in human mythology, their form can be self redefined to suit the circumstances. (Simularity to the enemy: 1.Seems to be connected to their opposition's collective unconsiousness. 2.Variable forms. Though the enemy might not be able to control theirs outside of alter time environments? 3.Mysterious unknown leadership). Could the Grand Families vs. Mal'akh conflict be another resonance or model of the War? ScarrattUsed a two part name the same as the enemy and the lesser species. Uses a scarlet colour standard despite it's traditional exclusion. (Scarlet maybe associated with Rassilon, could be the House Forfarding/Rassilon, is the colour of the reconsituted Rassilon's .L.G.T.W. Imperatrix chapterless Gallifrey). XianthellipseThe enemy, (the reps?) understood the need for cultural and military diversity as if they had always fought against mass produced forces. Robert Scarratt is considered their greatest achievement. What did we learn about the enemy?17.The enemy's nature and identity might be in .T.B.o.t.W. but requires figuring out. 18.May share charcateristics with the Mal'akh, (ie: Somehow connected to their opposition's collective subconsious,variable forms, and mysterious leadership). Could be to the Timelords what the Mal'akh is to the Grand Families? 19.Used two part titles. 20.Understood the need for diversity, (cultural and military) as they might have experience fighting mass produced forces before. Probably the reps rather then the leadership.
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cousinunseen
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Post by cousinunseen on Sept 21, 2022 10:48:12 GMT
Sorry for not posting in this thread sooner I was a bit busy and there isn't really anything to say about the analytical engine and book of enoch that others in this thread haven't already said. That being said I do have some notes I wrote up for the entries on Burton and Bryon which are my favorite of the bunch so far: Richard Burton:
- Burton's life as an western explorer going through Africa and Asia for exotic discoveries really does remind me a lot of the very colonialist aspects of the adventure novels that were really popular in the 19th and 20th century west. Like I know a lot of the adventure stuff may have been what the real life Burton got up to, but it's interesting that his obsession with aspects of other cultures which I can guess is through that white man's orientalist filter is what eventually got him into Faction Paradox.
There's something similar about Burton's fetishising of the other (cultures outside the British Empire) and founder of House Paradox doing so out of the same fetishising of the other (cultures outside of the Homeworld.)
- Pretty gay of Burton to be investigating into male brothels tbh.
- Pretty funny how Burton and Byron are put next to each other given how much beef the two apparently have within the Faction ngl. George Gordon Bryon: - "Seducer of women and men, a man so depraved he not only bedded his half-sister" Byron: the bisexual representation we didn't know, or even wanted
- Maybe the Shelley cabal mentions a bit more of this but it's weird that Bryons' relationship with Mary Shelley doesn't feature in this entry. Which makes me more curious about the Shelley cabal.
- Imagine being so much of a drama queen that the Faction themselves think you're a try-hard and you're not invited to be part of the literal celebrity cult within the Faction. I wonder if that makes him like Jared Leto, minus sending dead rats to co actors and having a literal sex cult on an island.
-Pretty relatable for Byron that he's often not bothered to get out of bed and show up for Parliament.
- I wonder if the drama between Burton and Bryon is a huge deal within the Eleven Day Empire. Like do cousins make memes about them and describe themselves as Team Burton or the Bryon Squad? Do the Faction elders look at the two. Do Burton and Bryon start shit regularly every time they both show up in Parliament?
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Post by darkspine10 on Sept 21, 2022 21:25:27 GMT
Lots more 18th/19th century aesthetics in this chapter I note, focusing on Europe and more colonial aspects. Interesting to me how other Earthly perspectives, like the earlier 14th century stuff with Vlad Tepes, or the Native American Remote colonies, come in later chapters. It perhaps suggests that this period and culture was one particularly keen on staking out its independence or was simply more attuned to the wider War concepts. Given the Faction's clear interest in these aesthetics, including making the seat of their empire map onto a gap in the culture, it make sense there'd be overlap and pushback.
The Star Chamber form a fun regression of Faction Paradox. They détourn the Faction, aping certain practices in an attempt to destroy the original, much like how the Faction does much the same with the Great Houses (the Grand Families make that point even more blatant). Makes me wonder if there's another culture with an equivalent Chamber that mocks the British one (it does remind me of Miles' Shadow Directory in CoaRP, hunting down 'Caillou', unknown cosmic horrors). I always get a slightly incompetent air from the Star Chamber, with their unsuccessful attempt to invade the Eleven Day Empire, the fact they mistake the Faction as Yssgaroth-adjacent, and the number of defectors to the Faction proper they seem to suffer.
In The Domino Affect, one of the EDAs from a period with lots of alternate timelines, a version of the Chamber surviving into the modern day form the main antagonists, ruling over a fascist Britain, stunted due to the invention of the computer being wiped out. That was actually my introduction to them, since I read the Book of the War a few months later. Together it sort of implies that the freedom of information represented by technologies like the internet is what brought the Star Chamber, with its attendant secrets and schemes, down in flames in the end.
The Mountains of the Moon entry sticks out for taking a cool approach to the concept of anomalies on maps, suggesting that errors like the mountains are impossible to find for a reason (like Anarchitects, but on a grander scale). I love analysing idea of 'the territory is not the map' in such a literal way. It cleverly reflects the way maps and other graphical representations can inform our views of the world, suggesting that these unreal places have been erased by biased ideologies in some ways, rather than never existing at all. The lines on a map can easily shift after all, and like the Eleven Day Empire, there's room in the gaps for unexpected things to grow.
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Post by garyshots on Sept 21, 2022 23:48:56 GMT
Do we think it's significant that the Howards/Arundels clung onto their Catholicism? Which of the Great Houses are they supposed to correspond to? And what would be their equivalent of the Old Religion?
Spencer Perceval was apparently sympathetic to the Star Chamber, although perhaps not to the Howards specifically, as he was against Catholic emancipation. ("You think I'm going to be any better disposed to you now that I know you're the one who killed Percy?" "An ill-advised project undertaken by House Mirabilis." As above, so below? Supposedly Mirraflex didn't have their own Grand Family, but I bet they're just hiding.)
Are we meant to know who Azazel/Shemjaza is when he's at home? Is it that Tibetan monk geezer from Planet of the Spiders? Or are we to infer that that guy was in fact Richard Burton in yellowface all along?
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Post by bumbles on Sept 22, 2022 0:39:24 GMT
Do we think it's significant that the Howards/Arundels clung onto their Catholicism? Which of the Great Houses are they supposed to correspond to? And what would be their equivalent of the Old Religion? Howards are “the powers far behind the throne” aren’t they? I’d peg Linnecrux for that.
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Post by garyshots on Sept 22, 2022 11:26:22 GMT
Supposedly Mirraflex didn't have their own Grand Family, but I bet they're just hiding. And now I think I've found them. I made masses of notes while reading in bed late into the night and then this morning I felt like it had been staring us in the face all along. For now though I think I ought to recap why I think they're hiding in the first place. The footnote to the Grand Families entry says: "There are actually six ruling Houses on the Homeworld, but one would hardly expect House Mirraflex to do anything as vulgar as forming alliances with the lesser species." This sets my ironometer ringing. I had a cursory flick through the other footnotes, and the one to 147 is caustically ironic, whereas the one to 185 seems like it pertains to something but I dunno what exactly.
So, yes, the existence of the Sixth Family... it's just a feeling, but it's a feeling about an absence, something that's left out, unsaid. And I think those absences are the keys to the book. Or, you know, the locks to the book, and we're supposed to deduce the keys.
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Post by doctornolonger on Sept 22, 2022 21:14:33 GMT
This is one of my favorite sections of the book – I'm actually a little disappointed that we're getting it out of the way so early! Mal'akh's rapid healing. (Mal'akh healing might look enough like one of the less stated classic series regeneration effects for Burton to me mistaken? He had more knowledge then most but like the Service didn't have enough knowledge or cultural references to tell one alien group from another). Why assume that Burton was mistaken? (I would caution against relying on the ROO site too much. It's a great theory, but it doesn't cite its sources reliably, and plenty of things are just made up.) This might connect with the line from last week about Faction Paradox armour originating in an "abomination's graveyard" of Yssgaroth-tainted Great Houses. Those entries told us that no such thing existed in our timeline, so it must have been another one, accessed through the caldera – but then this week, we hear about members of the Great Houses from ancient history who apparently passed the Yssgaroth taint on to their children! Are we meant to know who Azazel/Shemjaza is when he's at home? It's hard to pin down an identity for this leader "bound headfirst over the abyss for all eternity", especially without referencing concepts from future weeks. It could be an imaginative description of … the attack of ignorance? the Eremites? Umbaste?? Nothing seems to fit. But mistaken identities are a bit of a theme this week: when the Star Chamber mistakes the Mal'akh for being connected with the Faction, are we being warned not to do the same? So maybe the easy answer of "rebels from the high place" = "interventionist Great Houses" is wrong. Maybe the leader suspended over the abyss was the Yssgaroth leader itself, banished to E-Space? More questions than answers.
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Post by doctornolonger on Sept 22, 2022 21:15:38 GMT
By the way, kudos to garyshots for noting the significance of "James Thomson III" last week! The quote by James Thomson III that prefaces The Eleven Day Empire is fictional I think, but it must surely be from a fictional grandson of the historical James Thomson who wrote The City of Dreadful Night. It's a bit of a coincidence otherwise.
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Post by garyshots on Sept 22, 2022 22:10:45 GMT
By the way, kudos to garyshots for noting the significance of "James Thomson III" last week! The quote by James Thomson III that prefaces The Eleven Day Empire is fictional I think, but it must surely be from a fictional grandson of the historical James Thomson who wrote The City of Dreadful Night. It's a bit of a coincidence otherwise. Thanks! There's a long quotation from The City of Dreadful Night in the entry you quoted above, Walking Dead, and James Thomson I also crops up in Ghost Clusters, with a comment on his macabre, obsessive lifestyle. Walking Dead also comments that he was linked to the Star Chamber by an accident of birth, so it's not his pseudonym linking him to Shelley. It says here that his parents were James Thomson 0 and Sarah Kennedy, so we're not much further forward with his actual link to the Star Chamber. But Walking Dead does remind us that he was born in 1834, the year of the attack on the Eleven-Day Empire. Could one of his blood relations have been in the battle?
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Post by garyshots on Sept 22, 2022 23:23:22 GMT
So, the Grand Families. There's five that we know of. The Cecils, the Greys, the Howards/Arundels, the Percys and the Stanleys. (Incidentally, this series of entries is absolutely seething with Howards.) Presumably each of these corresponds to one of the Ruling Houses of the Homeworld in some manner, though we don't seem to know which matches whom. Maybe the Howards and Lineacrux but we're not sure. I explained above why I'm looking for a Sixth Family to correspond with Mirraflex. Now, if I were right, where ought we to look? Well, in the Star Chamber, the Society of St George and the Order of the Dragon.
So I looked through the haystack. There are some interesting characters. Loads of Anglo-Irish. (And so many Howards!) There's James Thomson, though it's hard to see quite where he fits in (maybe one of the writers was a fan?). There's Charles Napier, who's a Sir or a mere Colonel depending which decade you find him in. There's the fifth Earl of Carlisle (a Howard) who trained Byron at Castle Howard (Brideshead!) and got dissed in English Bards and Scotch Reviewers for his trouble (he was in good company, though Coleridge was way cooler than Wordsworth). There's "the Earl Marshall, The Duke of Norfolk" who worked on the Clockwork Ouroboros, though I eventually worked out that they and the Lord Howard who leads the 1834 attack are all the same guy. There's Magnus del Rio ("Great River"), the Creole/American agent: I'd like to know a lot more about him, but it's not clear that he even belongs to the Grand Families. There's the Duke of Wellington, Richard Burton ("connected by birth to the Grand Families"), even Winston Churchill ("himself a descendent of a prominent Garter family"). Oh, and there's Castlereagh, but he'd belong to the Dvora-affiliate family if anything. Wouldn't he?
Actually, if we look at the Dvora entry, it says that Shelley dreamed about Dvora, and he merely "adapted the line to his own political ends". Of course, Shelley was well aware (through Byron, if nobody else) that Castlereagh was up to his eyeballs in occult Star Chamber shenanigans (to say nothing of the Peterloo Massacre!). But would Castlereagh really be a good fit for a Mirraflex-affiliate family?
What do we know about Mirraflex? Well, Ruling Houses says "ruthless, often genocidal". And their own entry says much the same: "wilfully ruthless in preserving the security of the Homeworld", "sudden, brutal and overwhelming violence"... okay, they do sound like they might be on board with the Peterloo Massacre, if they were a British family of that period. But which family did Castlereagh belong to?
That's right. The Stewarts.
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Post by editoreyeofthefandom on Sept 23, 2022 1:52:20 GMT
I'm a little behind, still on week two, but if we follow the Grandfather's revolutionary idea of history then we can totally claim a week behind need not matter because if he can take 11 days and do whatever he wants with them, i can take a week and do whatever i want with it.
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Bongo50
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Post by Bongo50 on Sept 23, 2022 17:09:41 GMT
It’s taken me a while to get through this week’s entries, but I have now finished them. I’m glad that this seems to be the longest week: as much as I enjoy reading The Book, I also enjoy reading other things and this section has taken up almost all of my reading time this week.
This section felt very different to the 2 preceding it. Overall, I enjoyed it, but I think I like the less Earth-centric, more sci-fi concepts from the previous weeks more.
Yet again, this was an alphabetical section. I’m not sure I like that too much as it feels a bit lazy: instead of coming up with a bespoke and perfect order, it’s just done alphabetically. Sure, the entries are still linked and linked well, but I don’t think it’s necessarily always the best order. Having said that, the order did have some good qualities this week. The Mal’akh were mentioned a number of times before their entry, building up some suspense as to what they actually are. This was nice. I also find it interesting that Scarratt was the only entry to break the alphabetical order. This mirrors his rebellious nature, which I feel is deliberate and I like.
I also liked the application of the Protocols of Linearity to the Napoleonic Era. I feel that it is this simple concept of 2 societies becoming linked that actually allows for Faction Paradox and the War to make sense logically. Without it, time travel just wouldn’t really be able to work. It’s also what allows for the Star Chambers conflict with Faction Paradox to make sense and actually have some stakes for the Faction.
I also really liked the entry on the Walking Dead. It’s description of history as being formed of many strands of time that the war unravels and re-ravels, and the idea that an individual may only be present in a few of them is, firstly, awesome. Secondly, it sounds a lot to me like alternate timelines, something we know the Great Houses don’t believe to exist, yet the House Military seem to exploit in the form of the ghost cluster devices. I’m not really sure what to make of this.
I’m excited for next week, especially as, despite its name, it does not appear to be alphabetical (although I do fear that it seems a bit apocryphal which may come of as disorganised and unstructured. We’ll see.)
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Post by Aristide Twain on Sept 23, 2022 18:11:15 GMT
Secondly, it sounds a lot to me like alternate timelines, something we know the Great Houses don’t believe to exist, yet the House Military seem to exploit in the form of the ghost cluster devices. I’m not really sure what to make of this. The Houses reject the existence of entirely parallel timestreams, whole universes outside their control; especially ones that might encompass alternative versions of them. This is a different matter entirely from smaller-scale, overlapping personal, or even planetary, timelines within the Spiral Politic.
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